tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.comments2023-07-27T10:34:29.893-04:00Cincinnati Labyrinth ProjectUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger352125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-5092296131865580112011-03-29T16:23:53.542-04:002011-03-29T16:23:53.542-04:00Beryl,
Nice to hear from you. Hope things are wel...Beryl,<br /><br />Nice to hear from you. Hope things are well in Cambridge. The Gramont text is "The Primordial At" from 1939. It's truly one of the early Gramont's most salient treatises, focusing most heavily upon circumnavigation, eggression and labyrinthological temporality. <br /><br />I wish a translation of the triptych would surface too. I heard Cunha was working on one, but I'm not sure of the status. John might be able to offer some insight there.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13963908589324916833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-89900354590491706162011-03-28T15:30:03.099-04:002011-03-28T15:30:03.099-04:00Thanks for the updates! I was just wondering about...Thanks for the updates! I was just wondering about the fate of the CLP. What is the Gramont translation? I keep hoping that the tryptych that ran in "Perimetro" will get translated into English (or at least Spanish).Beryl Crossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-52548085008712923492010-11-27T21:49:01.230-05:002010-11-27T21:49:01.230-05:00Logan,
We appreciate your attention to detail. Na...Logan,<br /><br />We appreciate your attention to detail. Navigation, I am sure you know, by nature open-ended.and so is its criticism. Aaldi's tetratology is ambitious. I recommend you consider, to focus, the proto-Recursivisit Pandora's Box: the quantity fallacy, which presupposes 'accomplishment' as telos.<br /><br />JKJohn K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14874931086869435989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-54029020645650483312010-11-27T21:48:13.948-05:002010-11-27T21:48:13.948-05:00Logan,
We appreciate your attention to detail. Na...Logan,<br /><br />We appreciate your attention to detail. Navigation, I am sure you know, by nature open-ended.and so is its criticism. Aaldi's tetratology is ambitious. I recommend you consider, to focus, the proto-Recursivisit Pandora's Box: the quantity fallacy, which presupposes 'accomplishment' as telos.<br /><br />JKJohn K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14874931086869435989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-59237542148833740592010-11-26T12:52:35.112-05:002010-11-26T12:52:35.112-05:00Would a paper on contemporary applications of Aald...Would a paper on contemporary applications of Aaldi's reductivism be acceptable. I know it's not directly focused on Gollesten, but much of the paper will address the problematic of recursivism through the lens of Aaldi's tetralogy.Logan Mathersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-4073709861654447332010-09-09T09:47:18.895-04:002010-09-09T09:47:18.895-04:00Alex:
Great post on Gramont. This man, this figur...Alex:<br /><br />Great post on Gramont. This man, this figure, this giant, of labyrinthology never ceases to amaze, puzzle, and, dare I say, inspire me. <br /><br />I know that you and I are currently knee-deep (more like neck-deep) in a proper exegesis of Gramont's texts, but I thought I'd give our readers a little taste of what's to come:<br /><br />Gramont's cut-up mode of labyrinthology appears to assert, even in the counter-logic of its logic, that the labyrinth is all, a kind of extreme panlabyrinthism in which the text is a labyrinth and the labyrinth is a text (thus Gramont's notion of 'punctuation'). More on this later, of course.John K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14874931086869435989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-46297025586762457372010-08-20T14:10:13.586-04:002010-08-20T14:10:13.586-04:00Honoria,
It's great to hear from you. What h...Honoria, <br /><br />It's great to hear from you. What have you been up to lately? Are you still working on your dissertation on Desmarais?Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13963908589324916833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-1587197395166914772010-08-20T11:12:36.598-04:002010-08-20T11:12:36.598-04:00John and Alex,
It's been too long! How are y...John and Alex, <br /><br />It's been too long! How are you guys? Glad to see the CLP is being updated again and that you both made it back from your respective navigations in one piece.<br /><br />First off: Wow! Thanks so for that image of the WSL's Third Door- it really brought me back to my first real solo navigation! That third door really tripped me up when I walked the great slate labyrinth; I was stuck in the atrium for at least 36 hours. A wonderful labyrinth, surely one of Fernald's finest. <br /><br />Looking forward to Oligreff's essay, it's been too long since he's published critically!<br /><br />Yours,<br />HonoriaHonoria Feldmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-64224741394132360732010-08-18T20:52:08.289-04:002010-08-18T20:52:08.289-04:00Juan,
You ask a good question. Cruhs has been not...Juan,<br /><br />You ask a good question. Cruhs has been notoriously resistant to explicit identification with any labyrinthological school per se. If pressed, I imagine, given his acentric concerns, he would not identify with Recursivism but with Neo-Recursivism, a more nuanced and less dogmatic, if you will, approach to navigation. Look out for more on what makes Neo-Recursivism such soon.John K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14874931086869435989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-24017201458997590962010-08-18T20:50:33.565-04:002010-08-18T20:50:33.565-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.John K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14874931086869435989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-80580853140425679612010-08-17T10:59:18.301-04:002010-08-17T10:59:18.301-04:00Did Cruhs identify with the recursivists?Did Cruhs identify with the recursivists?Juan Steinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-44074281056158847582010-08-10T23:39:09.575-04:002010-08-10T23:39:09.575-04:00First of all, Alex: Where on earth did you find th...First of all, Alex: Where on earth did you find that picture of Gerrit? There are so few pictures of him, especially late in his life. Second of all, Jeppsen's panel is something I am greatly anticipating. The Benesov Conference (our first conference in how long, given our absences?) will truly be a treasure. I've got an essay, "Given to Labyrinths: Acentrism as Telos" that I'd like you to look over before the conference. As the title clearly indicates, we have much to discuss.<br /><br />Third, Tristan, let me put it simply. As we can attest to our recent, harrowing navigations, the central concept, as we have come to discover, is that the labyrinth ceases to be a labyrinth once one has navigated it successfully. I, in fact, am prouder to have deficiently egressed from the Ribbon Reef than to have congressed it, if it is so congressable, because the labyrinth exists qua labyrinth still. "Prone conquerable" is the core problematic of our day.John K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14874931086869435989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-85967537336015653772010-08-10T18:08:43.446-04:002010-08-10T18:08:43.446-04:00labyerinths without centers that are designed to m...labyerinths without centers that are designed to murder the walkers? wtf? this seems bonkers, why would anyone build thatTristan Fischernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-43815060704044113022010-08-09T11:06:24.206-04:002010-08-09T11:06:24.206-04:00The larger question, it would seem to me, is wheth...The larger question, it would seem to me, is whether it is fallacious to attribute the same orienting labyrinthological ethos, one that hinges upon notions such as the sovereignty and suchness of the labyrinth, to Western designers (Kobrin, Marrowe, Gerrit etc.).Teutonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-17052339898258965822010-08-07T11:13:44.276-04:002010-08-07T11:13:44.276-04:00I am a native Hungarian speaker. You hit on a very...I am a native Hungarian speaker. You hit on a very interesting point about some of the challenges of the Hungarian language. It is my understanding that Kobrin was writing in the early 20th century, but I do not think that now people would take nemegyközpont to mean "all center." I don't see why Kobrin would have just written egészközpont. That would be "all center" in a sense that Hungarian speakers would understand.Andrasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-1673191211469565692010-08-04T16:15:47.028-04:002010-08-04T16:15:47.028-04:00Drake: You've hit on something here. After cop...Drake: You've hit on something here. After copious reflection upon the late Kobrin's text - paying particular attention to his frequent mentions of the labyrinthecture of both Heris Gerrit and Toh Mi Lei (not to mention my own recent firsthand experience in the Manuas labyrinth), I've come to the conclusion that it is indeed a type of rebellion that governed the construction of Kobrin's final labyrinths. It is not, however, rebellion at labyrinths as such but rather a particular type of labyrinthecture - in particular the Western canon in the wake of both Gollesten and Aaldi (as disparate as they seem). I believe Kobrin aspired to create a labyrinthecture that resisted the hegemony of the Western tradition but went too far, made too many alterations to the fundamental structures that, taken together, comprise the essence of the labyrinth.<br /><br />John: Well spoken. My posts and navjournals in the coming days will elaborate my views on the (problematic) interconnectedness that exists between late Kobrinian recursivism and Eastern/Buddhist labyrinthecture.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13963908589324916833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-16936106451552060012010-08-04T16:04:14.431-04:002010-08-04T16:04:14.431-04:00Drake, I think you make an interesting point. In f...Drake, I think you make an interesting point. In fact, throughout labyrinthological history, movements have ruptured with tradition all on the basis of the center. Recursivism, for example, emerged as such because it rejected the priority of the center (though some political differences certainly come into play).<br /><br />It is in the Asian labyrinth that we can best understand the meaning of the center. Perhaps Alex could discuss further.John K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14874931086869435989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-45647326144685945252010-08-04T15:58:28.024-04:002010-08-04T15:58:28.024-04:00Call me naive, but it seems to me that a labyrinth...Call me naive, but it seems to me that a labyrinth without a center is no labyrinth at all. I get that some schools avoid the center and others seek it out, but it seems that the center is definitive. <br /><br />Acentrism is just pure rebellion.Drakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-39698718983889867482010-08-03T19:05:46.802-04:002010-08-03T19:05:46.802-04:00Who is Mezrin Kobrin?Who is Mezrin Kobrin?B.D. Kozincksinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-61931788014597425432010-08-03T18:03:47.035-04:002010-08-03T18:03:47.035-04:00Smart questions, Moritz.
Alex handled the issue ...Smart questions, Moritz. <br /><br />Alex handled the issue of Interiorism and stressors concisely. Aaldi, of course, is the leading thinker on this matter. For more, consider Aaldi's essay, "Understanding the Turn in Quantological Mechanics."<br /><br />"Successful egression" is a problematic term, as Alex pointed out, because the meaning of egression varies directly with the intention of navigation. <br /><br />Interiorists (sometimes called Centralists, depending on the translator) prioritize the congression, therefore failure to congress results in voluntary or involuntary egression. PNSD is shown by some to be at its highest documented levels in these instances. The research is not conclusive, though. <br /><br />Recursive navigation privileges the perimeter. High levels of PNSD have been reported due, and I know this language is vague (it's a nascent field), to feelings of inadequate recursion. These feelings are akin to being denied a voluntary goal -- like the internal conviction of jumping off the high dive as a kid but bailing out at the last moment. The fear-confidential confusion is the principle at stake here. <br /><br />Let me put it this way. Scientists will argue that successful egression does lessen the amount of PNSD. Phenomenologists consider that this is the wrong question to ask.John K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14874931086869435989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-64533039888232679292010-08-03T17:59:49.645-04:002010-08-03T17:59:49.645-04:00Some interesting questions, Moritz. I'm sure J...Some interesting questions, Moritz. I'm sure John will want to weight in here. I'd like to press you further on how you'd define a "successful" eggression. It seems to me that, on a very fundamental level, if one is able to congress, reach the true center, and return to the perimeter, then one has successfully eggressed. Perhaps a more apt question might be one which probes the relationship between ease of eggression and PNSD? <br /><br />As for your second query: Aaldian interiorism would surely reject the notion that navigatory stressors occur during eggression. In fact, I'd argue that a true interiorist perspective would hold that the trauma of having congressed to the point of reaching telos would be the locus of any labyrinthological stress endured, rather than issues of duration, difficulty, etc.<br /><br />Thoughts?Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13963908589324916833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-46728551939708152522010-08-03T17:34:19.660-04:002010-08-03T17:34:19.660-04:00this is a great post which leaves me considering t...this is a great post which leaves me considering two questions: if eggression is successful, is the amount of PNSD lessened? how might we understand the relationship between interiorism and labyrinthological stressors?Moritznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-63462856851219310882010-08-02T22:21:31.898-04:002010-08-02T22:21:31.898-04:00Wow- I thought surely that this blog was dead. I&#...Wow- I thought surely that this blog was dead. I'm really happy for the update! I'm not sure if you guys remember me but I was just getting into labyrinthology when the blog was in full swing. I learned so much here- I'm mostly interested in Neo-Recursivism right now, actually im hoping to visit the Gramont Archives in November. Anyway, consider me excited to learn more from you all; I'll eagerly await any forthcoming posts you guys might author.jon cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-35642051111783447282010-08-02T21:47:43.774-04:002010-08-02T21:47:43.774-04:00Alex,
We are ecstatic, just simply ecstatic, that...Alex,<br /><br />We are ecstatic, just simply ecstatic, that you have emerged from both the Cave and the infirmary. What a harrowing ordeal it must have been.<br /><br />I know how anxious everyone here at CLP was, yourself, of course, included, when I lost contact in the Ribbon Reef. But you, for the love of the labyrinth, showed no fear in facing that "brink" yourself. <br /><br />We have so much to learn from your experience. I am currently writing on the pressing topic of our recent dangers, too. I am very intrigued about your notions of the "fourth center" which you indicated in our correspondence only days ago.<br /><br />Rest up, my friend. <br /><br />For the love the labyrinth,<br /><br />John K.John K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14874931086869435989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4108717335032240741.post-76901427592143708532009-02-12T00:19:00.000-05:002009-02-12T00:19:00.000-05:00Where did everyone go? Are they lost inside?Where did everyone go? Are they lost inside?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com